Each layer should be laid down crosswise (perpendicular) on top of the layer below, similar to the method used when building a log cabin. Have you built an upside down fire before? Perfect illustration of counter intuitiveness and challenging commonly held beliefs. The same rules apply whether you are starting a fire in a fireplace, woodstove, furnace, barbecue or even a camp fire built on the ground. Okay, bad joke. This is great! Stil, more than enough time for a romantic evening without interruptions. Glad I could make a small contribution. Maybe this will create enough heat to start the draft up the chimney. Take the thing and flip it over. I’ll give it a try this afternoon. It's quite simple. Okay, so I just experimented with this… finally… in Steamboat, CO. p.s. All the flue does is provide a tube through which air is drawn upwards. At the end of this article you will know how to build an upside down fire on your own! An upsidedown fire generates lots of coals. I’ve been using a similar method to light and maintain a long, steady burn on my BBQ smoker for 3 years, yet never thought of trying it in the fireplace. You take four smaller pieces of wood which you stack with some space in the middle. Glad to hear it worked for you! I tried this in my fireplace yesterday. I love her to death but shes got me chasing her everywhere! This thread is archived . “That is genius and exactly what I expect from you and this site. The top down fire or self feeding fire is a fire building technique that's much different than building a conventional fire. The largest, longest pieces of wood should be placed on the floor of the fireplace to … My first try, yasterday, was a great success: I have a closed type fireplace (with a glass door). Okay so the fire thing works, best part is everybody else lectures you on how your doing it wrong…. And as further punishment, it was also going to be our job to tend to the fire all night. Kindling underneath all the trees just burns quick and does nothing much to older trees. (Not that I was trying very often… I was convinced the design was just horrible, and the fireplace was useless). This brightly burning fire makes it less likely that the fireplace will smoke as it heats the chimney without the interference of loads of wood resting on top of it. Critical is fine, but if you’re rude, we’ll delete your stuff. With indoor fires, it’s especially important to start with well-seasoned wood that won’t smoke you out of your living room. Just curious. Adding the smaller wood criss-crossed as the fire builds up, eventually adding your kindling and tinder to the top of the fire. If you would like to share the article you can do 2 things: I am burning red oak and I built the fire right on the floor of the fireplace, no grate. Cool trick. 2. And if you suddenly need to leave the house, just sweep the burning wood off the top and they go out, and resetting the kindling is easy for re-ignition. Is there another way to build this fire without the starter logs? Build an Upside Down Fire. We’ve got a tiny fireplace and it worked great when when we filled the thing up. With a normal fire you’d just plonk some big logs on top, but then it’s not an upside down fire anymore. As it is self feeding you will be able to build it before bed, light it, and then keep warm without having to climb out of your sleeping bag or shelter. (Of course he didn’t show me until I admitted defeat and was unable to get the teepee version going. If one uses a Duraflame or other wax/sawdust log, would it go on the top, middle of bottom of the upside down stack? Efficiency, what would be nicer would a bulletproof method for starting a top-down fire in a 70-80% efficient (at turning wood into room heat) woodstove as opposed to a wasteful, 5-10% efficient open fireplace! Prevents cold air coming down the chimney. Not only that, but it’s inspired me. Doesn’t take long. Thanks! I have to admit, footnote 14 on page 45 is my favorite part of 4-Hour Chef. I didn’t have any split logs, just whole logs & pine cones. I was also amazed at how well this method works when I first tried it, hopefully it keeps you and your family warm all winter! 67% Upvoted. (Thanks to Brian Oberkirch for the inspiration.). Tim, I found a link to the brochure I mentioned. Even though it took a few attempts, the good news is I was able to accomplish it while simultaneously achieving my goals of becoming conversationally fluent in Urdu in under 30 minutes while achieving a perfect 1,000-meter head shot with a .50 caliber sniper rifle from the back of a rutting cape buffalo! I find that when I get back to mother nature like, a fire, or by water, or out in the woods, under the stars, I become more, In a day an age when most people are telling themselves that they do, not have enough time to work-out, let alone come up with million $$$. April 21, 2016. You need a critical mass of fire to make this work. ideas that can help people around the world live a higher quality life; it is very important to find ways to get back to the basics and get their mind to slow down. Does anyone know how well this works without the fire starter squares? May I present to you the Upside Down Fire: The Upside Down Fire Method. Cool. Thanks! Required fields are marked *. built in a layered fashion starting with tinder at the top and increasing in size all the way to large logs at its base (Even though it might be very cold outside, this will ultimately heat the house up faster.) Bricks upside down in Fireplace. An upside down fire will give you the best burn possible and will heat your home, especially if it’s a straw bale home, so incredibly well. During the heating season, a Council Fire is fine for open fireplaces or to start an airtight stove. When done cooking, push the logs back together (called banking) and settle in for the night. The upside down fire makes a dramatic difference in conventional fireplaces producing a long clean burn and will usually also solve any start-up smoking problems. Obviously, they’re waterproof as well. It would be nice to show off this fire building technique to “seasoned veterans” and it be a spectacular success. Personally, I use simplicity for making money and investing. Pine cones work very well for firestarters. The upside-down fire produces and projects much more heat than a standard tipi fire. I am going to try this in my wood stove for my overnight fire. But if fire can get hot enough to reach the crowns of the trees, then it’s an entirely different story, and can get as hot as 1000 degrees F with the right wind conditions. Thanks Ron, let me know how the lesson goes! How-to, Preparedness. The open door creates a vacuum of air up the chimney – or in our case, woodstove – that flushes all possible smoke out that way, rather than being pushed back down into the room by cold air stuck in the flu. Add some more logs alternating two at a time moving up a level. What you’ve covered is essentially a small exhibit of why forest fires can get so hot and out of control. thanks Tim. Something to test after Michigan thaws out and I can have a bon fire again. Every still laughed at and joked at how the fire looked like a burning tenement. Place this tinder on top of your kindling. How It Works. It is a great tool to add to any fire building arsenal and I think you will be impressed with the results. It worked GREAT!!! Discussion in 'Building' started by Ambergreen45, 15 Jun 2013. You are going to lay your base layer of logs down in the next step so you will want your pit clear of debris and as level as possible so the fire you build will not topple over as you build it up. The charcoal keeps the next layer heated up so *it* produces wood gas and slowly turns to charcoal, and on and on. As a boy scouts, I sometime made large fire making a small ‘tipi’ on top of a large “upside-down’ fire… then there is even no need for fire-starter other then some newspapers. It’s one of those ‘journey is more important than the destination’ things. I started it at 4pm and it was still going at 11pm, very impressive. say nothing to them, just keep doing it this way, and Huzzah! Certainly when we build fires we want to try to be as environmentally sound as possible since timber is not the most efficient heat source. I now make all my fires this way. That way you can also make a hard copy for your files or library if you have one. This past weekend The Bug Out Bag Guide Family hosted a barbecue for some close friends. I only had to mess with it at the very end to bring the final 2 logs together. Take everything you have learned about fire making and well...turn it upside down. Starts with jokes against those who try a different way, then it becomes argument, and then violence. These fire building methods have served me well and I have enjoyed many a meal and evening sitting around their warm glow. http://www.motherearthnews.com/Modern-Homesteading/Wood-Fire-Building-Tips.aspx. This causes heat to rise quickly and to warm the flue. Choosing and adding your tinder is a crucial last step. SIde note: truly enjoy your site and book. The upside down fire also helps reduce smoky fireplace problems by warming the flue. Good times! Add a kindling layer (small twigs about the size of your pinky) on top of the stack. What's the difference between them? Gotta keep in mind this concept. The best way to do something that is often counter-intuitive.”. Another important step to knowing how to work a fireplace is to make sure all ashes are cleaned out of the firebox before you start stacking wood for that first fireplace fire. Pingback: How to Build the Best Fire | Wild Rye, Pingback: upside down fire | Admit One / mental gymnasium. It’s a cleaner burn with far less smoke and better combustion, gives off more heat, needs less tending and uses the embodied energy in wood more efficiently than the tipi-esque fire … There is no need to baby sit it and keep adding wood over time! Now I have a perfect excuse to build a fire in the name of science. I have no need to poke and prod for hours! I was excited to learn about a new method of fire building and try it out for myself. I will have to use this technique and see if I can get the same results. Set it up, go get your food ready and then come back to a nice bed of cooking coals! we'll let check this out. © 2020 TheBugOutBagGuide.com Tim you need to have kids so you can do a hack on parenting an 18 month old! Amazing how violently some people defend their conventions. Off course not as romantic, but you get models with larger windows as well. Leo Babauta on Zen Habits, Antifragility, Contentment, and Unschooling (#488). I have been teaching my 7-year old son some basic survival skills & showed him the traditional fire starting method. When I made my fire I didn’t have any fire starters (they don’t sell them in India) so i just added 4 tea-light candles just under the top layer of paper. Does this work as effectively for campfires? From the high tea estates of South India where it gets cold at night…. I’d heard about the upside-down fire, but the method you describe is a pure, Platonic form I hadn’t heard described before. Similar to a hi-rise apartment. Several fire-building methods exist, and all of them have their merits. One reason they want to promote this method is that far fewer pollutants and fine particles (PM10) are given off. When you look at it from a forest perspective its the same thing. How to build a fire in your fireplace without smoking yourself out of your house. This is a head-slap ‘doh!’ moment for me. 3. I will keep you all posted once I start working on it. This is my first winter with a fireplace, after some early failures to get the logs ignited with newspaper below the fireplace grill I ran across this method. Also, there was almost no smoke back-draft and house kinda smelled like Cracker Barrel. I won’t get 6-7 hours, but my fireplace is small compared to your examples. I never would have thought it, being so ingrained by “those in the know”, and camping all my life. Fred. It works but I’ve found out a couple of things while experimenting (I’m an engineer and pyromaniac I can’t help it). Then, after you build up some coals/embers in the middle of the pile, spread apart the logs on just one side. You would have to pile up a nights worth of wood. wind). Now I can get a fire going that runs for 2-3 hours and usually only needs a log turned towards the very end. Of course I had to go and move to Florida, where this will rarely be needed, and I don’t think they even have fireplaces down here . Build the fire upside-down. I have the same gripe that everyone else has about the teepee fire–you are tending it constantly after a great 20 minute burn. Were were on an overnight camping trip. It was my job to tend that thing. Like most man-boys, I just enjoy poking at a fire endlessly. Wow, the article was an exciting read and the comments were an awesome exchange of ideas, many thanks! Start off by stacking your large fuel logs on the bottom of the fire grate. NOW THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE BROCHURE. It’s less than you’d use over 1/3 the total burn time with the tipi method, but it makes it largely impractical for outdoor survival purposes. 1) The upside-down fire will take longer to produce large flames, and it might not look like much for about 20 minutes. Hi John, These logs are lit as the flame consumes the fuel wood and transfers heat down to this base layer. What I used to do: 2 pieces of crumpled newspaper on the bottom, then a bunch of kindling on top, then 2-3 pieces of firewood on top of that. Your email address will not be published. Fourth picture: In STORAGE HEATER place the wood with the cut (open) side to the front. Watch the short video below for details on how to do this. It worked quite well, however what do you do when it’s down to the bottom logs and you’re wanting to keep the fire going when you go to bed? Must try this week. I had to try it again, this time with an audience. As well as this, not only does the fire burn longer, it burns hotter. Place your paper on top, and light (a sprinkle of extra kindling on top is a good idea). This means use the largest logs you intend to burn and lay them down parallel to each other. Efficient. There were no spaces between logs at the bottom, then every other layer had an empty box. Make sure the stack takes up no more than half the height of your fireplace. The other upside to the upside-down method is that it creates more upward … I skipped the paper and had a “starter log plastic packet” on top. I agree with the first comment. The next 2 logs sit on top of the first 2. … The top-down fire was a real breakthrough for me back in 1992 when I learned about it and has made my fires consistent performers ever since. But, I bet he will now that he’s read this post If anyone has done this in a wood stove, let me know: [email protected] – Thanks! Well done sir, looking forward to another year of great posts. As the fire burns each layer that you built should ignite the next one down all the way to your base layer of logs. Where were you 25 years ago, when I had to make fires everyday for our wood burning stove to kept our house warm? It freaking works better than described. The first time, I was skeptical to the point that I gave up after the first died out. We layered the big pieces of wood in a criss cross fashion as kind of a platform and then on the very top, we built a tiny little teepee fire. I agree with the ‘critical mass’ comment. The fire from the top warms the air in the flue and creates a more efficient current of air for cross … Lots if good tips for living frugally and richly. Thought you might be interested in this amazing girl who doesn’t know the meaning of the word “can’t.”. I also find myself having to visit the folks and the rest of my family who have all seemed to either stay or move back to Michigan. That every fiber is converted into heat might be deceptive with upside down fires I think, I agree that this type of fire would make it burn more of it, but that this ash might as well be carried of and up with the hot air. These very small wood pieces are typically 1/4″ x 6″ lengths stacked vertically at the base of the teepee (chipped with a hatchet, broken further with an 8oz claw hammer). Unfortunately, my neighbors light fires and the smoke is drawn in through the “fresh air intake” of MYregular home furnace. Having had numerous problems lighting our stove in the past, I’m proud to say that this method worked extremely well for me. The irony is, we have a small-ish wood stove at the cabin and my husband has been reluctant to try this method. save. Try it both ways, grated and grate-less. We were made to get wood and build the campfire for the group while everyone else got to go swimming at Mohawk falls. It seems to me that when the big logs at the bottom are rolling, you could then add large logs to it, to keep the fire going. Pingback: How to Build an Upside-Down Fire | A Better Man Bloomed? Ceremonial campfires may be needed to provide light for ninety minutes or more. Thanks for another interesting article, Tim. I would leave the plonk alone,to be honest…, Your email address will not be published. I’m a fan of Mitch Hedberg. I don’t know where you get all these “how to” ‘s, but every time I get sucked into them. That is genius and exactly what I expect from you and this site. From here, any veteran Boy Scout should know that you transition to a “log cabin” structure on top of the coals from the tipi. The upside-down fire produces and projects much more heat than a standard tipi fire. Enjoy the warmth and reap the rewards of a better method, as counter-intuitive as it might be. Another important step to knowing how to work a fireplace is to make sure all ashes are cleaned out of the firebox before you start stacking wood for that first fireplace fire. It’s great to pass on useful stuff, but at least try to give your sources. Great one Timmo! In a top-down fire, the larger logs are placed on the bottom, with progressively smaller logs, kindling and then newspaper added on top. Over many years of camping I have built hundreds of fires. Stick to the same method of laying each layer down crosswise across the layer below it to allow proper air flow. be — cool. I read a report once that insisted that corrugated cardboard is the secret weapon for starting fires, and I think it’s true, Rip it into strips or chips and use liberally. To Build an Upside Down Fire: Place a layer of your largest logs at the bottom, tight against each other with no space … As for being new to the prepper lifestyle, it is never too late to learn to be prepared so welcome! 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