Unvaulting starts in D2 Year 4, with the Cosmodrome coming back, as well as its three strikes and the return of the Vault of Glass raid. I'm of two minds on content vaulting. No other locations or modes, just Titan and it's associated activities with whatever overhead that incurs. As it stands it they may not be able to unvault all D1 and D2 locations within the announced release schedule if they do it annually. The DCV will include all content from Destiny 1 and anything that cycles out from Destiny 2. Their main concern seems to be technical limitations and having a smaller team means a lessened ability to be actively involved in the community, but I just can’t get on board with sunsetting entire locations and massive pieces of content because of technical issues. Dreaming City does need to be pulled at some point, because the Curse needs to end if that story can ever move forward. its a shame too, because the gameplay itself is really fun. Just cutting out the curse cycle without significantly reworking the area would break a lot of stuff and kind of ruin a lot of what makes it special. For a while, Destiny 2 … We will bring back (or “unvault”) activity and destination content from the DCV each year. So they’re half-adding it like always, forcing their developers to figure out some hobbled together system just to get by. In addition - most of these engine issues will already be fixed in the engine, or the fix will be known as it'll have been made for the other, still existing locations, so it's a much faster process. Please read the sidebar rules and be sure to search for your question before posting. There’re a lot of comparisons to FFXIV in this tread and I really respect devs who can say “we make a bad product, we need to rebuild it” and actually deliver on this promises. I just have a very hard time believing vaulting old content is the only possible path forward when other MMOs that are far more massive than D2 have never, ever vaulted even their oldest content. Considering Destiny 2 was my first game in the series (I did go back and play the original Destiny later on) this really sucks. I hope they plan on at least cycling them periodically in a consistent way. All I hear from Bungie is “we make a couple of mistakes, but don’t worry and buy our new era DLC”. The Destiny series has long employed a trend of theming specific content releases around specific enemy races. Additionally an argument I have seen is that these destinations are fine to be removed because there is nothing to them. I stopped doing so after a point in D1 when my friends left the game. I agree with this. Activities. From the most recent ViDoc, a quick paraphrase - it takes days to compile the new build before it can even be tested. I've stopped playing since the end of Shadowkeep because I just don't have time to play video games anymore. Yes, the zones could come back. Two strikes (Fallen S.A.B.E.R. Something other than a few measly emotes? All of this because there's only Titan on the engine. Destiny 2 will start to place content in a Content Vault to reduce “the size and complexity of the game,” Bungie has today announced.Launching at the same time as its Beyond Light expansion, the Content Vault will remove access to locations like Io, Titan and Mars while adding content from the original Destiny. Sure we’re getting replacement content for what’s being removed, but who’s to say if something like Shadowkeep and Forsaken won’t get vaulted when Lightfall is released? I'll probably finish the campaign and put it in the bin. Strikes that take place on the aforementioned planets will also leave Destiny 2 with Beyond … The guns are another issue entirely, but it seems that they’re at least listening to the complaints about the grind cycle. I could see them using planets on a seasonal cycle if they were willing, it would push up patch sizes but it’s possible. I think most people have forgotten that Rallies were only supposed to be gone for a single season, and instead just ended up being entirely removed forever, and we weren't even told that they weren't coming back until like an entire year had passed. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. They’re not selling anything from the vault as far as we’re aware, and the new content looks vastly different from everything else. Out with the old, in with the new. I still find it annoying that at least $95 of content that I've spent on the game is now unplayable. I don’t see how they’re just “selling us the same thing again.”, I don’t really see this as “scummy,” I see it as “Extremely confusing move.”. Who knows, just give it time. We’ve got a grand prize of one (1) 10″ The Stranger Statue (and digital Destiny 2 code on a platform of your choice) to give away, open to They faced that reasons in there previous projects: lack of communication between teams, lack of coherent architecture in software, poor inheritance design, weak engine and tooling, a small or nonexistent refactoring processes to address technical debt, lack of qualified network engineers. I like the return of VoG from D1, but I still haven't been able to even do Leviathan, because I know no one who plays, and don't take the game serious enough to raid really. Right now, they're bound by the currently running version of the game; the changes they make will make it in to the build so if they break something severely, they have to fix it before the next patch because it's a part of the game. "When Bungie announced they were going to be vaulting content I decided to … Doesn't this become unsustainable? Welcome to Destiny Reddit! I didn’t always care to get new stuff or grind a rank, sometimes I just wanted to drink my coffee and kill a few Fallen on the rigs of Titan, just because I like Titan. That's what pisses me off the most. I kinda wish they'd left Destiny 2 more like the original Destiny, where you could replay missions at any point. Will they be able to play through The Red War and associated content or are they just out of luck? But here's where I agree with the Bungie approach, and what the Vault gives that isn't being talked about. I can imagine that Bungie like the idea of keeping destinations down to the announced number of seven destinations this fall. But even that isn't really a replacement for what we had. The DCV, as it’s known, will be used to temporarily remove some content from Destiny 2 as the game grows bigger with each new expansion. There's also the matter that I paid for Curse of Osiris and Warmind, and now they're just going away. This sub is for discussing Bungie's shared world, action FPS looter-shooters: Destiny 2 and its predecessor, Destiny. Stop inventing more and more “new” gameplay systems, make current code base work. Currently the game is slated to last at least until summer 2023 going by announced DLCs and the current seasonal model, but that doesn’t mean Bungie won’t announce more DLCs. Frankly, the sunk-cost in dev-time on building entire destinations is probably a significant motivator to make use of them again. They leave it on whatever version it's running when they built the engine in their new environment and don't care what the team is building out - they build out the activities and the location and so on. When they introduced the idea that they wanted to run the game for at least 5 more years and not reset in destiny 3, I was pretty excited, but with so much content being removed I have to say id almost rather have restarted. This sub is for discussing Bungie's shared world, action FPS looter-shooters: Destiny 2 and its predecessor, Destiny. On the one hand, I understand the need. Where does your faith that these destination will truly be improved come from? I never got to complete any of the raids either, which sucks. On the other hand, they are removing areas like Mars that has a lot of content that I enjoy. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. I would say keep playing, because this season has been fantastic and Beyond Light looks like it’s going to be a massive update in every way. It’ll be cycled in an out every season to be accessed again if you want to play it. In fact, the 2021 expansion will feature Savuthun we assume so the DC will probably play a role in that story so it would make sense to vault the DC within the next year to prepare it for that expansion. Press J to jump to the feed. The Destiny Content Vault exists to restore beloved weapons, locations, and activities, but returning content won’t be the only offerings for players each year. Obviously it makes sense if the enemy in question is new, but even existing enemies are used in this fashion. I stopped playing after I learned that the content I just started working on was going to be removed, and that the guns I grinded for would no longer be useful in pinnacle activites. The Reckoning. I was actually planning on replaying the game and all the storylines again when I got the time, but now that's no longer going to be possible. What does this mean for brand new players that want to get in AFTER the DCV is released? Strikes. Bungie has a plan to win then back by catering new content to core fans. Bungie has told us that content was being removed for improvements before. There's a second benefit which is far more removed from the users (you and I) that's not being discussed simply because it's a dev thing. Faction Rally was a really low-effort addition (not unlike Queen's Wrath, which I actually enjoyed more). The locations that are going away are the planets with the least amount of activities/older activities no one plays anymore, that and the content isn’t just vanishing forever. But I’m fearful the zones will be rereleased as content without many changes being made. In regards to what this means in terms of vaulting locations, the obvious benefit is this: it will take hours to recompile, not days. Regardless, it’s a disappointment. I hope they at least bring the locations back seasonally, and allow us to play through the quests and side quests then. Thats a lot of content just being effectively deleted from the game because they say its too big of a game. However as of late bungie has delivered a worryingly low amount of content so only time will tell, Imagine comparing Titan and Dreaming City in terms of relevance to the story and in size/activities to do lmao. Plus, it is content that I paid for. Sure, it’ll return some day, but who knows when? Usually, as a developer, you'd recompile your code several times throughout building a piece of code to make sure that it's doing what you want it to do, and you haven't made a spelling mistake or misused something in some way - it's better to catch it early, because then you know where the problem is and you can fix it before it gets lost. If they keep adding content then many players will not have the space for any other games other than D2. Imple… They just want to keep selling you the same content over and over. Welcome to Destiny Reddit! Unvaulting starts in D2 Year 4, with the Cosmodrome coming back, as well as its three strikes and the return of the Vault of Glass raid. I would much rather have a smaller scoped game that sees more thorough updates top to bottom than a larger game that has large swaths completely stagnant and unchanging for huge lengths of time. The … But from a developer perspective, recompiling is actually something that's far more common that you might think. Conner B. June 9, 2020. It would help me ponder and order my mind. Bungie as a company is extremely cheap as far as I’m concerned. Just take a break, make a season of cleaning up this mess. Will that argument hold up when it's the dreaming city's time to go? I’m unbelievably hyped for all the new content and I’m generally very happy with the direction Bungie seems to be taking the game now, but I really hate the idea of the content vault. With the Destiny 2 Vault, Bungie is attempting to cut the fat off the game to make a leaner, more engaging experience. Destiny Content Vault The Destiny Content Vault (DCV) is a new content model being implemented in Year 4 of Destiny 2. Opencritic: 74 IGN 7/10 Destiny 2 breaks new ground with Beyond Light, while other parts remain frozen in time. I'm now in between completely abandoning d2 and playing it at best, casually. With the first phase of Destiny 2 content vaulting still in our rear-view mirror, and four planets not in our rear-view mirror as a result, some players were understandably gun-shy about the idea. That's not an option with Destiny as it takes days to recompile everything. Zero Hour. Without Destiny 3 there's no reset switch. Obviously Bungie would love to have the game be massive while also being able to efficiently update and maintain the entire scope of the game but it just isn't physically possible for multiple reasons. I used to want Destiny to be a huge MMO filled with tons of meaningful content, but the more burnt out I get, the more I’m fine with it just kinda always staying at the Taken King/Forsaken level where you play for 2-3 months then take a break and do other stuff with your life. Read Also: Bungie embraces Netflix-style content rotation to maintain Destiny 2. Escalation Protocol. This means that they can work on it for a day, let it recompile overnight and find the bugs in the morning. There's nothing else to recompile, so they can make changes and recompile it several times a day to test their changes. Maybe more details will come out, but right now I simply don’t get it. The game is a bloated mess and vaulting content will allow Bungie to clean it up a bit. Press J to jump to the feed. If they make Forsaken FTP in fall 2021 and vault TS and DC it frees them up to add one new destination with Witch Queen and reprise one of the seven vaulted locations, like the Cosmodrome this fall. When the Content Vault was announced, part of Bungie's sell was that things wouldn't just be removed, but also be re-added—including content from Destiny 1. They already said the exotics and related items will be available through the same quests just in different ways. It already is unsustainable. Many projects face this issues not only in game development. 2 weeks later, outlets are finally putting out their final scores for Beyond Light. To me, it feels like it's taking all the things that originally got me interested in the series away. So every change that's made to the engine has to be considered and fixed whilst they're updating Titan live. Destiny 2 game director Luke Smith spoke to us about weapon sunsetting — the process of infusion capping some guns and rotating them out of the game. I think the game is morphing to something new after their split with Activision, and now with Destiny 1 content coming in I think they’re slowly trying to consolidate it all together over time so that the player base is no longer split between two games, most of whom (I would guess) never played or finished the first one. As someone who has been here since the start it kinda pisses me off that all the shit I've paid for is going away. Where does your faith that these destination will truly be improved come from? I feel like with that I should at least get Shadowkeep free, but I'm still being told I need to buy it. They are still accessibly nonetheless if you wish to play in a custom server and if a map is totally removed it is replaced by an updated version. It’s really concerning and I will give my criticism until something will change. I have to ask; How do you respond to the people who criticize this move by pointing towards faction rallies and trials. It wouldn’t make any sense to just throw brand new players into content like Forsaken or Shadowkeep or beyond without them having played anything that came before. The DCV is their attempt to bullshit us about their intentions. As long as Bungie doesn't vault or sunset more content than new content then I don't see a problem with it. Every Strike, Raid, Exotic, Catalyst and Map heading to the Destiny 2 Content Vault When Destiny 2: Beyond Light launches in November a lot of content that is … Now, if we think about how the game is going to look in terms of load in September, and take Bungie's "recompiles in hours" as truth, we can imagine that Titan might take an hour tops to recompile each time it's needed. The game is well over 100Gb. It seems like an absolutely terrible decision to me. The most recent post I read was how Titan is beautiful and it's just in need of a facelift; that people don't go there because there's nothing to do. However, the official Destiny Reddit community feels one race in particular is sorely under-represented: the Vex. I've been waiting for rng to quit being a bitch in d1 so I can finally feel complete and move on to d2 and finish warmind and finally get started on the raids and right when I'm so close they're vaulting it. The DCV will include all content from Destiny 1 and anything that cycles out from Destiny 2. If it speeds up the menus they can vault all but 1 planet for me, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. The first time this will happen is … Let's imagine September; everything that was going to be removed has been. Me? I'm honestly really upset about the content vault. They are beautiful to explore and have such rich atmosphere and presence. I just can't stick with a game that does this though. The developers from Destiny 2 says they are doing this valut thing to "rebuilt" places, missions and certain armours, probably hinting towards a new engine or process. Faction rallies left for design reasons, which is then up for bungie to put effort into redesigned content. Never could get enough friends online all at once. All about Destiny 2: The epic, online-only looter-shooter MMO from Bungie, which launched in September of 2017. I know we're going to be given new content, but I hate that the old is going away for that. With all that said, let's get to the meat of this. The engine is what it is, and every time a new version is released for testing, it has to recompile. No developer hates new players. Bungie has finally outlined all of the content that's leaving the game and moving into the Destiny Content Vault on November 10, and boy it is a lot. Destiny 2’s big Beyond Light update may have started the process of discontinuing much of the game’s old content, but Bungie has also revived some old favorites, starting with the original Destiny raid Vault … I have faith that bungie is cheap and therefore when they need to create more content in the game it's far cheaper to add to these old planets than create new ones so I'm sure they'll be back in a later season with a few changes. However, that still begs the question that people are asking: "Why remove locations when we can just update them?". I'm honestly really upset about the content vault. The Vault is more of a puzzle in Destiny 2: Forsaken’s Last Wish raid than an actual fight, and there is no boss. Black Armory Forges. What you get is a bulk import of a location, and one or two bulk fix passes and the location is like brand new. Could I at least get some compensation for dumping all this money into the game over the years? I think a lot of the criticism is coming from people who look at every other MMO and MMO-lite, especially the ones on the very same console, and see that those don’t temporarily delete half the game. Bungie’s hands are also in no way tied, I’m pretty sure they want to keep the destination count down to make life easier for them and improve performance etc but there’s nothing stopping them from putting the destination count up to eight if they need to. We will bring back (or “unvault”) activity and destination content from the DCV each year. This post also only focuses on recompile times, depending on Bungie's server architecture the reduced load from having less planets might improve their performance. Almost every single day, I've been seeing posts about how various pieces of content should not be sunset and just need improvements. I understand why they’re doing it, but I always liked and stuck with Destiny 2 largely because of the locations. My sole criticism is that people bought base game, CoO, and Warmind and they have very, very little to show for that time investment. Gambit Prime. I really do think it's Bungie's only realistic option if they want to continue Destiny 2 for years to come, which seems to be what most of the players want. To create a sustainable ecosystem where the world can continue to evolve in exciting ways, and where we can update the game more quickly, each year we will cycle some destination and activity content out of the game (and into the DCV) to make room for new experiences. It totally depends how they handle unvaulting locations. Not only this, but the engine is being updated constantly: weapon balancing, reward structuring, vendor actions/activities, economies, strikes, exotic quests, UI, everything. With 2 new locations coming out the chances are I still won't have to go to the DC. To the best of my knowledge, not a single other MMO has ever locked out old content as a new expansion was coming, and most of those have been going on for many more years. ... Share Tweet Email reddit . With the new way of doing things, here's what would happen instead. Please bare in mind; I have no affiliation with Bungie, and I am just someone who's been involved in development cycles for nigh on a decade and have seen stuff like this happen before. They're not necessarily gone forever, and if and when they return, they'll be much, much better. The locations are the best part about the game, it still is unclear specifically why they can't just keep the content in the game. This got longer than I thought, so I'll can it there, but I wanted to give the other side of this. I totally get why Bungie has to vault stuff given their current development ecosystem, but I also get why people are allowed to be frustrated by that. That would make sense if the vault or the older content wasn’t already free or going to be free. Now, because Titan is not in the game any more, here's what can happen: said team spins up a new virtual machine and gets the Destiny game engine running on it. I was always fine with a sequel. I do hope Bungie find a good rhythm with unvaulting locations. Not to be outdone, Beyond Light‘s Content Vault also brings back the original game’s Cosmodrome alongside a brand new vendor named Shaw Han. r/destiny2: All about Destiny 2: The epic, online-only looter-shooter MMO from Bungie, which launched in September of 2017. Will that argument hold up when it's the dreaming city's time to go? Doesn't this become unsustainable? With the vaulting of Io, Titan, Mars, and Mercury there’s a bunch of content leaving Destiny 2 for the foreseeable future. The Vault of Glass raid returns. When it's in a good place, they review all the engine changes that have happened since - fix what they can and then do a bulk import of troubleshooting the issues with every change all at once - not one troubleshooting every week when the engine has changed and caused an issue. TBH though ever since shadowkeep came out I've had almost no reason to go to the dreaming city other than for bounties (admittedly I don't raid). When something is placed in the vault, it’ll be removed from the game completely, but all of the files for it will still exist on Bungie’s end. Hard grasping this... new light player so I bought forsaken back when shadowkeep released... it's crazy to think about the same thing will also happen to Europa at some point. This is huge. They bring Titan - and only Titan - in to the engine. The team that's building doesn't touch the engine whatsoever. The Iron Banner is back in Destiny 2 and Lord Saladin has a brand new quest for you. However if the zone is rereleased with exclusively a vendor refresh, I’m going to be annoyed. I would much rather have had them leave Destiny 2 as is, with everything up to Forsaken, and create a new game for all this instead. They were better when they came back, too. Lots of original Destiny players have moved on to other games. This, and the announcement of the Cosmodrome's return, has led to speculation that each of the three upcoming expansions—Beyond Light, The Witch Queen and Lightfall—would also unvault an older destination. The kind of game that Destiny is is constantly changing and the DCV is a huge step towards making Destiny a more living, cohesive world. A lot of criticism is coming from people who understand technical reasons. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the DestinyTheGame community. Crossplay is coming in 2021. They don’t want to take the proper time, resources, and money to create an engine that can properly support a game like Destiny. Essentially, if this is how everything operates, the vaulted planets will be treated like DLC locations, and this means very good things for the locations that are going to disappear. I feel like dc wouldnt be removed because it is the main hub of a whole year of content with its own sustainable ecosystem and loot, only would it go away when it could be replaced (most recent destinations have this same approach) something like the tangled shore though, would go all it has had is forsaken campaign and spider (keep in mind that all 3 y1 campaigns are bejng removed so it is not as valuable of a source of long term income for bungie). I have to ask; How do you respond to the people who criticize this move by pointing towards faction rallies and trials. As far as we know right now, D1 content will be revamped and included in it and several locations from D2 as well as Leviathan will be vaulted and then cycled seasonally or yearly. Luke Smith gives one of his teams a task: go away and rebuild Titan from the ground up - add more activities, change up the location a bit, add some new enemies, resource nodes, whatever else. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. I definitely feel like a lot of criticism is coming from people who don't understand or aren't aware of the technical reasons. GTA similarly keeps adding more content to its online, and as unoptimized as it still may be, ARK has massive amounts of content and new maps added to the game. I'm of two minds on content vaulting. I'm not expecting much though (e.g If titan does return I expect there to be new enemies in the locations and some scenery changes but I don't expect a new transmat location). It's not just a recompile once everything is done (I wish!). Most of the weapons are being sunset and the destinations are leaving. Sort of, but not really. Games like Rainbow 6 keep adding content, and maps are taken out of rotation only to accommodate their viability for competition. It certainly is a blow, to know that I would no longer be able to visit those locations at will. I also think a lot of the criticism is coming from people who, due to the vaulting, finally realized Destiny is never going to be the game it could’ve been, and they’re angry that they now understand Destiny is always going to be a small game that isn’t very dense (patrol zones don’t have a lot of content, no towns or camps, shit like that). Earlier this year, Bungie announced plans to add the Vault of Glass, Destiny’s first raid, to Destiny 2. Lord Saladin is back in the Tower and he has an Iron Banner quest called Slaying Dragons for you to complete. This means if developers ever wanted to bring back something that was put in the vault, it could be done easily. I just wrote out some thoughts in a comment on a post, but honestly, it deserves a post of it's own and to be seen by more people. I hope they can find a way to bring this content back to Destiny. It’s scummy AF. 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